How To Avoid Buying
A Banned Domain Name
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Yesterday, I decided to set up a new content site targeting niche market. I almost made a big goof, by registering a domain that I believe is probably banned from Google. Thankfully, I have a few checks which I now run through before I register a new domain, and that helped me to spot a potential problem before it happened.
Here’s what I did…
After doing some keyword research, I decided on a niche site to target. Off I went to http://www.Godaddy.com to see what good domain names were available.
The niche I have found looks pretty good.
- Plenty of searches being done for a lot of different keywords.
- A decent amount being spent on pay-per-click advertising. From a quick initial brainstorm, I’ve found at least 200+ keywords in the $1.50 to $3.00 range, with some that are much higher ($20).
- I’ve already got access to lot of private label articles, for this niche. Plus I’ve found plenty of information in the public domain, which I can change around a bit and re-use.
- There’s is also a number of high paying affiliate programs and products to promote in this niche, some with recurring commission.
- The competion in the search engines is fairly strong, but I’ve already spotted quite a few keywords that are not being targeted too heavily by other sites.
It’s going to take a lot of effort on my part, but this does look like a great niche to build a content site for.
Now, having done all this ground work, and then deciding that I’m going to be spending quite a bit of time developing this site, I really wanted to get myself a decent domain name for it.
This is when I could have made a big mistake…
After about 10 to 15 minutes of typing in various keyword combinations, to see if the domain name was available, I found one that I thought looked pretty good.
I still had a couple of checks to do though, before I took the plunge and registered the domain.
I wanted to see if I could find out if the domain had been used before, and most importantly if it was used for anything dodgy.
- I went to www.archive.org, and typed in the domain name in their ‘waybackmachine’. This allows you to see if any pages from this domain name had been archived in the past. You can actually view the old web pages, to see what they looked like.
What did I find? The site had some pages listed between 2003-2004. The archive doesn’t seem to have updated its database during 2005, but it’s useful to check back before that. Taking a closer look at the archives, the site was very ugly looking, and contained what appeared to be just hundreds of pages of automated content, created by some software program.
- I did a search on Google and MSN to see if I could find the domain name listed on anyone’s website. Sometimes when you do this you come across comments on blogs and forums, where people are complaining about a site you want to register. If someone has come along before you, and built up a bad reputation on a domain you want to re-register, it’s always going to be a struggle for you to make it work.
My Conclusion…
I could be wrong, but it seemed very likely that this site had been banned by Google, because it did look like a site that was set up to spam the search engines, with tons of keyword targeted pages. I didn’t find any comments from people complaining about the site anywhere, but for me, even though I had found a good domain name, it wasn’t worth the risk registering it.
It may well be that the previous owner just wasn’t making a go of the site. It’s hard to tell, but by looking at the type of site he/she had built, it was the type of site that Google have been banning.
Just imagine, I would have spent ages setting up and designing the site. Filling it with good quality original content and working hard on getting lots of links into the site. Including writing and distributing articles. Getting in the search engines, especially Google, is not always an instant deal. I could have worked on the site for months, only to find that Google and possibly a number of other search engines, had this site on their banned list. I wouldn’t have known until after I had done a lot of work.
I’ve said before, that you shouldn’t rely on just one traffic source alone. Especially search engines, because they can be very unpredictable. However, it’s not a great idea to start a new site, when there’s a good chance it has already banned from Google.
There’s other things to consider. If want to exchange links with other sites, or try and get some articles published, it’s not going to help you if your site has been kicked out of Google in the past. Other websites will get penalized for linking to you, so it would be an uphill struggle to get traffic into your site.
Another Check Worth Making
Sometimes you’ll run a check and you won’t find any history of that website being online before. So, they might not be banned by Google, but they could be on an e-mail spam blacklist.
E-mail spammers send out e-mail from domains that don’t necessarily have any web pages online. If the domain name gets tagged as being used by a spammer, it will get listed in spam databases, which are accessed and checked by the main Internet service providers.
Just go to Google and type in "spam domain blacklist", and you will find a number of websites listing domain names on lists. You will see some good keyword rich domain names in there, not just the crappy looking ones. The spammers would have left these domains to rot once they realized they had been blacklisted.
Because the Internet has been going a while now, many of the good names are either in use, or have been in the past. So if you have big plans for a new domain name, do yourself a favor and run a few background checks on it first, to see what you can find.
Jason Lewis
P.S. It only took me a few minutes to run the checks above, and just a few more to find another good domain name with no dodgy history. I think it was worth the effort.
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on December 8th, 2005 at 7:12 pm
Thanks for the good info. It's always good to be safe. I tend to get ahead of myself and register domains. Wise advice Jason
on December 8th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
I'm glad I read this post.
Never would have imagined the kind of trouble registering a domain name could be. Will keep this post bookmarked.
Thanks Jason
on December 8th, 2005 at 9:56 pm
Thanks Jason for this food for thought. Now I'm off to check all my current domains to see what I can find.
Keep up the good work.....this blog is one of the better ones I've come across and will be reading every entry you make with eyes wide open.
Cant wait for the next post!
on December 8th, 2005 at 10:20 pm
I do agree that you want to stay away from re-registering any domain that looked like it had a lot of bad content in the past, but as far as not seeing any links to it in the search engines, I'd say that no news is good news. If it was a really bad spammer, someone would probably say something.
You wouldn't want to buy a domain that was used by a spammer, but unless I'm missing something, those blocks are put on an IP address, not a domain per se. If you see anything bad, I'd steer clear, but it's pretty unlikely that you'd end up with a banned domain name.
I wish there was a way to see if a domain was blacklisted by Google etc., but unless you have an insider at Google, I don't seen how you will figure this out.
Note: Expired domains are NOT listed in Google, so don't think that because they are not listed in Google they are banned. They could be of course, but they are removed upon expiration.
Not finding links to a name is usually just an indication that the previous owner simply didn't get any (or many links) to the site.
But there are often 30-50,000 names per day expiring, if you have doubts move on, there are plenty of names... though only so many "good" ones.
http://www.dnsstuff.com/ is a great site to check a lot of things, but when I put in a domain name to check the spam database, it just checked the IP address, so this tool is no good for this purpose... but there are lots of other goodies there.
on December 9th, 2005 at 12:26 am
Thanks for the postive feedback, I'm glad you found this info useful.
John, I agree when you said that they mainly ban IP addresses, but I do think the domain names also get tagged somehow. Sites like the following one have blacklisted domains listed in alphabetical order:
http://www.joewein.de/sw/spam-bl.htm
Seeing a name on that list or similar, is enough to warn me off.
I also agree that expired or 'never ever registered' domains shouldn't come up in Google.
What I look on Google for, is listings of other people referring to and linking to a domain that was previously used. Once I have found a long forum thread from maybe a year ago, where there was a heated debate about the previous owner of a domain I was going to register.
If I was going to buy a load of domains in bulk, and use a scatter gun approach by throwing up a load of quick sites, I probably wouldn't bother checking them all out. I only really do it, if I think I found a market that looks really good and worth spending a lot of time developing a site for.
The DNS stuff link you posted is a good one, I hadn't seen that one before. As you say, plenty of good useful tools on that page.
Cheers,
Jason
on December 9th, 2005 at 5:39 pm
Another good site for domain name research is:
www.whois.sc
I think between the two of those (dnsstuff.com and whois.sc) you can find out a lot about domain names not only before you register, but also for other things. I use them both in the course of searching for physical locations of where a server might be located prior to choosing a hosting company. You can also learn how many domains are hosted on a server, so you can get an idea of whether a company overcrowds their servers or not.
on December 9th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
I have used the www.whois.sc site for a bit of detective work myself ahlexis. Good link.
Jason
on December 13th, 2005 at 8:03 pm
whois.sc is the only site I've used for years to check whois data. It's got to be the best site. No need to login, no hassles, you get a screenshot most of the time and you also simply get more data than most other sites provide.
Also, if you register for a free account, you can monitor ALL of your domains, no matter who you registered with. I use DiscountHostingAndDomains.com (my GoDaddy reseller account) but I have clients that have registered with other firms, and it was always a pain to monitor expiration dates. With whois.sc I can keep track of all of that data on a single screen. They will also email you to remind you of expirations coming up, notify you of changes and more!
If you pay, you can also access an archive of the whois data, which can be handy at times - though I don't use that service.